[Gt-eos] Launching the GridCF

Oliver Keeble oliver.keeble at cern.ch
Thu Nov 2 09:13:54 CET 2017


Hi Brian,

Yes, I'm aware of those pull requests, a couple of them are ours (via 
Mattias)! However, they are already released as downstream patches in 
Mattias's EPEL packages. I wonder if Globus plan a final release? That 
would probably be the one to base our first 'cleanup' release on.

Oliver.

On 01/11/17 20:28, Brian Bockelman wrote:
> Hi Oliver,
> 
> One thing to think about is the difference between "official end of 
> support" and "effective end of support".
> 
> For example, look at the number of pending pull requests that contain 
> relevant patches (but haven't even gotten a comment from upstream):
> 
> https://github.com/globus/globus-toolkit/pulls
> 
> [One of these even includes a fairly trivial DoS.]
> 
> It'd sure be nice to have a mechanism for getting these fixes out on the 
> street beyond asking Mattias Ellert to do more work.
> 
> Matyas did some nice work over the last few days to get Travis-CI 
> integration mostly working standalone.  The ultimate goal is to have CI 
> builds that generate souce tarballs + binaries tarballs + RPMs + debs. 
>   This is the type of work that will really benefit from getting started 
> relatively early.  I'm sure I'm forgetting other stuff.
> 
> Brian
> 
> PS - I'd really like to get names suggested for the PMC.  I'd love to 
> hear nominations throughout the day, but if I don't hear any, I'll 
> happily nominate based on those who have responded on this mailing list.
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Oliver Keeble <oliver.keeble at cern.ch 
>> <mailto:oliver.keeble at cern.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Brian - thanks for your efforts, at CERN we're happy with what you 
>> propose and support the idea of getting the PMC up and running asap 
>> and using that forum to define the details of how we want to manage 
>> the software lifecycle.
>>
>> About timelines, from reading the following
>>
>> https://github.com/globus/globus-toolkit/blob/globus_6_branch/support-changes.md
>>
>> I conclude that the Globus github repo isn't going anywhere, neither 
>> in Jan nor Dec next year. Thus for us at least, the Jan 2018 deadline 
>> is pretty weak, I would favour waiting until then before forking and 
>> running through a first release.
>>
>> Oliver.
>>
>> On 27/10/17 19:39, Brian Bockelman wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Frank Scheiner beat me to the punch and put together a GridCF 
>>> presence on GitHub.  Not seeing any negative responses yet, I put 
>>> together a few scratch webpages and presences (https://gridcf.org). 
>>>  Please excuse my enthusiasm.
>>> I propose that we should officially launch the Grid Community Forum 
>>> (GridCF).  The GridCF should be an organization to provide broad 
>>> community-based support for core software packages in grid computing; 
>>> it is a group of collaborators and not a legal entity.  It will not 
>>> own any copyrights or trademarks on the software it produces; 
>>> copyright ownership is maintained by the contributor.
>>> Along these lines, I propose we do the following:
>>> 1) Propose an initial project management committee.  To involve all 
>>> organizations with a stake in the health of the GridCF, I would like 
>>> to have one participant in the PMC from each organization that 
>>> considers themselves a stakeholder.
>>>   - *However*, after the initial formation of the PMC, I propose all 
>>> participants be considered individuals.  They are certainly allowed 
>>> (encouraged!) to advocate for their organization's interests, but we 
>>> don't formally maintain a balance of organizations on the PMC.
>>>   - That said, I personally think it is strongly in the PMC's 
>>> interest to maintain a balance across all stakeholders.  However, 
>>> that is up to the PMC and I would be reluctant to codify it in any 
>>> formal rules.
>>>   - I propose we should feel free to nominate individuals to 
>>> represent organizations.  I leave it up to the organization to 
>>> determine their internal process of selecting individuals.
>>>   - I also propose we let organizations self-identify as wanting to 
>>> participate and err on the side of inclusion.  My initial thinking 
>>> here is to consider grid organizations (examples including EGI, 
>>> NorduGrid, OSG, PRACE, XSEDE, etc) but would be fine with a broader 
>>> scope.
>>>   - It's hard to manage with too-large groups: I think it would be 
>>> most productive with 5-10 individuals on the PMC.
>>> 2) I propose we should quickly adopt a simple governance structure. 
>>>  I put together a draft here: 
>>> https://github.com/gridcf/gridcf.github.io/pull/1
>>>   - Comments are welcome either via mail list or GitHub.  Feel free 
>>> to comment on the issue or post a PR to my branch.
>>> 3) With a list of participants and a proposed governance structure, I 
>>> claim we should vote to officially create the forum with the 
>>> governance structure posted on the GitHub branch.  For the initial 
>>> vote, I would like the PMC to be unanimous*.
>>> Please forgive the level of formality at the very beginning here; I 
>>> think it would be useful to get this stuff out of the way as soon as 
>>> possible (as opposed to when the first disagreements hit!).  I aim to 
>>> be less formal once things really get rolling, particularly because 
>>> I'm not good at these sorts of things.
>>> I would also suggest that we try to not nitpick the setup or text: 
>>> once the forum exists, it is less awkward to fine-tune or change the 
>>> structure.  We *should* make changes necessary to maximize the 
>>> potential for success.
>>> In terms of timelines:
>>> - Between now and Friday, November 3, 2018, we should discuss this 
>>> proposal and try to build a list of names for the PMC.
>>> - Starting Friday, November 3, 2018, we should aim to hold a vote, 
>>> keeping the vote open until November 7 and posting the results on 
>>> this list.
>>> It's a quick timeline, but I feel it will help us keep from 
>>> over-thinking it.
>>> Once we agree the forum should exist, here's an example of the 
>>> actions I think we should take rather quickly:
>>> - Adopt a code base for the GCT.  A few of us will tinker with the 
>>> repository here (https://github.com/gridcf/gct) in the meantime, but 
>>> it wouldn't be official until a vote occurs.
>>> - Vote on a list of code committers, being as inclusive as reasonable.
>>> - Put together a timeline for a first release of the GCT.  Given 
>>> we're working against a January 2018 deadline, I would aim to have 
>>> the first code release be prior to that and essentially consist of 
>>> the current fork point from the Globus Toolkit.
>>> Phew - thanks for staying with me!  I would like to thank you in 
>>> advance for enthusiastically contributing to the (hopefully) 
>>> forthcoming GridCF!
>>> Brian
>>> * It's a bit tricky to state precisely what unanimity means within a 
>>> group of people that does not exist in order create their existence. 
>>>  I am hoping that everything I write is as widely acceptable as 
>>> possible and that we all can come together constructively in order to 
>>> get things off the ground.
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>> -- 
>> Oliver Keeble                      Information Technology Department
>> oliver.keeble at cern.ch                                           CERN
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> 

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Oliver Keeble                      Information Technology Department
oliver.keeble at cern.ch                                           CERN
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